Configuration for different subnets

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  • #46984
    phi
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    Machines: W10P22H2 and W11E23H2, NM 8.11.3 free on both

    I have two machines in my local network I want to connect with NoMachine. One is in the regular network 192.168.178.xxx, the other is in the guest network 192.168.179.xxx both managed by common German ISP router and network center hardware “FritzBox”.

    On startup both display “connect-to-addresses” from the respective subnet but obviously it’s not possible to connect via these IPs from one to the other. I’m trying to replace [removed].

    What configuration is required to enable a connection?

    Thanks in advance
    \phi

     

    #47000
    Britgirl
    Participant

    Our upcoming NoMachine Network will let you achieve this. It’s coming with version 9 which is near completion. You can read more about this here on the following web page: https://www.nomachine.com/network

    #47008
    phi
    Participant

    Sounds good so far, very much looking forward to it. 😀👍

    The info page sounds like this functionality will be as free available as the current edition (“non-network”) is, am I getting this right?

    Cheers
    \phi

    #47010
    Britgirl
    Participant
    Quoting from the page: Any user that wants to access a computer via NoMachine Network will pay a monthly fee, regardless of the number of machines they want to access, through a NoMachine Network subscription.”
    You will be able to combine the free edition of NoMachine (free to download, install and use) with NoMachine Network (as well the commercial Enterprise products). To connect to a “NoMachine computer” using the Network service, a Network Subscription will be required.

     

    #47011
    phi
    Participant

    Ooof, well then obviously the enthusiasm now depends on the susbscription pricing. Are there hints in this regard?

    Still curiously looking forward to the release
    \phi

    #47012
    phi
    Participant

    Hmmm, this sounds a bit contradictory to …

    Access to NoMachine Network will be free for everybody.

    So – is it free or not?

    Cheers
    \phi

    #47020
    Britgirl
    Participant

    It will indeed be “Free to add any machine that you want to reach” (as per the web page).

    “Everybody will be able to add their own machines to Network for free and without needing a Network subscription. Access to NoMachine Network will be free for everybody. It will also be used for two-factor authentication, something we’re going to introduce together with Network.”

    And that still stands 🙂  So, free to publish your NoMachine-enabled computers on Network (including computers where the free edition is installed) and you won’t need an account to publish them on Network; free to use the 2FA service provided you have an account, free to login with your account to the Network service in the GUI (from version 9 onwards) and see these computers you published, if you want.

    But, connecting using the Network service to your computer, any computer, published on NoMachine Network will require a subscription. You won’t need a subscription to register, you won’t need a subscription to use 2FA, you won’t need a subscription to log in with your account, you’ll just need a subscription when you want to connect over Network. For pricing, you should contact our Sales Department.

    Of course, Network is optional. Users can continue to connect to their NoMachine computer using the traditional IP address exactly as they do now.

    #47035
    phi
    Participant

    Hmmm,

    And that still stands 🙂  So, free to publish your NoMachine-enabled computers on Network (including computers where the free edition is installed) and you won’t need an account to publish them on Network; free to use the 2FA service provided you have an account, free to login with your account to the Network service in the GUI (from version 9 onwards) and see these computers you published, if you want.

    But, connecting using the Network service to your computer, any computer, published on NoMachine Network will require a subscription. You won’t need a subscription to register, you won’t need a subscription to use 2FA, you won’t need a subscription to log in with your account, you’ll just need a subscription when you want to connect over Network. For pricing, you should contact our Sales Department.

    Maybe we’re talking past each other or I don’t get the grasp (which might be the case, since English is noch my first language), but:

    (Leave aside 2FA, that might be of interest in the future.) So it’s free to “put any machines in the network”, understood. So then they are part of the network. Being that is also free, understood. But that is of no help whatsoever, being in a network without crossconnecting to anything else, which leads us to the absolute core usecase of the entire remote-desktop-idea: accessing one desktop from some other desktop, assuming that “see” other computers on the Network is not “control” them, but exactly that: see them, no more. Next: If I want to control mutually, when those computers are in different subnets, I need their “network ID”, not their IPs and for controlling them mutually in that case a subscription (for yet unpublished costs) is required.

    Or getting back to my initial usecase (sample IPs):

    • Machine A (192.168.178.42)
    • Machine B (192.168.179.42)

    … with the outcome:

    • with NoMa 8: No mutual control between A and B possible, bc. subnets are separate
    • with NoMa 9:
      • Mutual control between A and B possible, Network subscription required
      • Without Network subscription, no mutual control between A and B

    Am I getting it right now?

    Best
    \phi

    #47039
    Britgirl
    Participant

    We are moving away from the original question which was how to connect if I have two NoMachine computers on different subnets. I assumed that you had already taken a look at the options of port forwarding/portmapping, setting up a VPN, and enabling UPnP. My mistake. Searching for Fritzbox on the net, it says the guest network is isolated, which complicates things a little. In your case a VPN might help to bring them together.

    The following articles about portforwarding and portmapping in any case can be useful for you:

    https://kb.nomachine.com/AR10T01175
    https://kb.nomachine.com/AR04S01122

    To sum up the commercial and technical differences between version 8 and the upcoming version 9, if you want to control (I previously used the term “connect to”, maybe this is what was not clear enough) another computer you have the following options:

    – with NoMachine 8

    • 1) start a connection to any NoMachine server using the IP address if on LAN or configuring port-forwarding/port-mapping/router changes if on different networks.

    with NoMachine 9

    • 1) start a connection to any NoMachine server using the IP address if on LAN or configuring port-forwarding/port-mapping if on different networks.
    • 2) log in to Network and start a connection to any NoMachine server using the Machine Id. This will require a Network Subscription. If there is no Network Subscription associated to your NoMachine account, revert back to option 1.
    #47044
    phi
    Participant

    OK, thanks, now I see clearer. I’ll have to wait for the Network price tags then.

    Best
    \phi

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